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Yep, he's going to need a miracle to turn it around from here. I don't think he was a bad appointment, there was everything to suggest that he should have been able to step up again after Alloa and St Mirren. Really, that's exactly what we're searching for in a manager and have been since our inception. A manager that can do an above average job based on their budget. The odds that we'll get someone that is the next Ferguson are extremely high. Anyone who stands out is almost always already out of our budget, and more often than not they can't replicate their form elsewhere regardless, as so much depends on the conditions. As Panda mentions, the tactics at times have been horrendous and the changes in-game likewise. That alone is enough to seal his fate. However, it's important to acknowledge the conditions that both him and Glass have had to work in, in order that the next appointment is given time and support. We have been playing catch up since McInnes was disallowed from signing players, and then Glass given a lucky dip on transfers. Having to sign eleven players means that we were always going to be going into this season with a heavily imbalanced team with zero depth in some areas. With the pressure on to play attacking football, it's unsurprising that Goodwin prioritised that area of the pitch, and I don't think that we were hugely oversubscribed either (as we can see with the bench last night). We simply couldn't sign anymore players in the summer without it leading to disaster or just recruitment guess work. January being a difficult window to deal in means that we're limited on targeting preferred areas, with the risk of signing someone for the sake of it rather than a well-scouted signing available in the summer. We need to keep going with the squad building and keep building the recruitment process for the next manager (or Goodwin). The decision to ditch Considine was always going to backfire, and Panda correctly identifies Bates too in my opinion - a guy that was played continuously out of position for his entire time with us should have been ripe for a new-manager-turnaround. Having Considine would have made our defensive problems infinitely easier, and it was such a no brainer. Had we a proper director of football, Goodwin's approach to binning the entire team would have been more vociferously questioned, perhaps blocked.

Odd game in that it was never a 5-0 game, and at times Hearts were actually really poor. A lot of Aberdeen attacks stemmed from Hearts inability to pass or win 50/50s. Incredible that they've ended up with a 5-0 win when on another night a well organised and clinical team would have beaten them. However, that doesn't mean we were unlucky. We can't defend, have a manager who is as tactically inept a boss as I can remember (I thought Roy Aitken was the worst in that respect). The starting XI was good enough to win the game, they lost 5-0. It was not a one off, it's six defeats in eight.

Only if he came with a voice transplant.

I backed him for the Aberdeen job as he had St Mirren defensively well organised (maybe too well at times as they weren't always a great watch). And, you could see he was attempting to slowly them into a more attractive side. They also had a knack of getting results against bigger sides, especially at home. Very much like this season under Stephen Robinson. I expected him to be a manager who would keep it basic - defend the box, even long ball football, but get results and slowly develop the side over time into a more attractive one. So I thought he deserved the chance to see what he could do with a bigger budget. However, he's shown he's still far too inexperienced for a job this big. Maybe one day he still develops into a good manager, but I see that being 3/4 years away at the rate he's progressing and I don't think Aberdeen can afford that.

It scares me how much this is starting to mirror previous regimes with round pegs in square holes which is one of my biggest gripes with managers. Our starting line up last night had a winger at right back when we signed a recognised right back in the summer. Johnny Hayes, a left winger, playing on the right when we seemed to have about a million wingers a few months ago so just play him in his proper position. Duk should be playing centrally. McCrorie just chucked in another role because he is seemingly a utility man who never gets asked to play the same role two weeks in a row. Besuijen we were told was some kind of unpolished diamond who would make us millions yet he starts on the bench again. Coulson is meant to be a left back but is never in position hence the Hearts goals. Clarkson and Scales aside, who are not our players, are any of the summer signings actually better than what we had last season? I'm not sure. ................and what's the deal with Connor Barron? Why is he warming the bench? In conclusion, to me a 5-0 defeat by Hearts is a P45 job.

I don't wholly disagree with anything your saying, but I honestly think we have bought in some real quality players in the attacking third. So I suppose what I'm thinking is this is ultimately that the team has improved but is being badly managed. We do lack depth in defence but it raises questions of why Jack Milne was allowed to go out on loan earlier this week, and for me it makes me think how stupid we were to let Considine go.

Seriously, there no superlatives yo sum up what has just happened there

Is Stuart Baxter deid ?

Murray wins. 5 set match that took 5 hours 45 minutes.

I think he should go. I think Glass should have been given more time as I could see what he was trying to do but didn't have the players to do it. And at least you could see with his substitutions he was reading the game and trying to change things. But, with players like Funso Ojo, Teddy Jenks and Declan Gallagher - it was never going to be a fruitful season (yet just one point less than our current points total). With Goodwin, I don't see what his plan is. I don't see any evidence of being able to read a game and change things. Dundee United, Rangers (Ibrox), Hibernian, Kilmarnock and Hearts - five examples of him having no idea to stop a poor night turning into a bad one. His substitutions at times just seem random. I don't watch the training - but I don't really see what we're working on and at times we don't appear that fit either. Yes, the squad is still lacking, maybe third is too ambitious for his first season. But even if Aberdeen finished fourth now, the manner of some of the defeats have been horrendous, and we're being helped by others around us having poor seasons (Hibs and Dundee United mainly). McInnes was sacked for less (although granted, he had ample chances to improve it). I don't see what keeping Goodwin would achieve, unless he suddenly improves training, tactics, and in-game management in a short space of time.

In the championship?

Apart from being utterly shite at Cardiff and Man Utd, what you seein in Solskjaer? At least Goodwin showed promise of maybe becoming a good manager whilst at his previous clubs but Solskjaer? or are you just going on the premise of he is foreign so he will be superb or R U just taking the piss by suggesting him?

Is it too soon to bring this thread back? Absolutely not to Jack Ross and Neil Lennon. Want a bit more ambition than Stephen Robinson and David Martindale. No, Derek McInnes is not going to recreate his early days with Aberdeen. His time has been and gone. Steve Clarke I don't think would be interested before he's had the chance to get Scotland to another major championship. And I'm not overly enamoured with him anyway. I think he does okay for Scotland but could do better with the squad he has there. And by fuck he's boring in interviews. The Cowley brothers were apparently interviewed before. Can't say I'm an expert on what went wrong for them at Portsmouth, but the consensus was they relied too heavily on loans and injury prone players - a bit McInnes-esq perhaps. Still, the avalanche of goodwill messages Pompey fans have given them suggests they left a mark there and I actually wouldn't be against seeing what they can do. In relative terms, our budget in Scottish football is bigger than Portsmouth in English football (in that we're the third biggest here) so less loans and a young talented team to work with might suit them. But, Ole Gunnar Solksjaer for the win.

Dead man walking in my opinion.

You're always going to get square pegs in round holes at a club our size, it's important to distinguish the enforced (Kennedy and McRorie) from the tactical (Duk and Hayes). The tactic of inverted wingers in the front three has proven not to work for us. The first thing that both Duk and Hayes did last night was go down the line. There was no benefit to either playing on their wrong foot. Weirdly, Coulson is more in need of the defensive support that Hayes offers than Kennedy, who holds his position. Hayes hasn't been an inverted winger in his entire career. That Goodwin, nor the player, know this is frustrating (McInnes tried it enough with zero success). In terms of Barron, he plays in the role that Ramadani occupies, or alongside him where Shinnie now is. There is no position for him otherwise. Neither of those two are getting dropped anytime soon (I'm still unsure about Ramadani), so he has to wait. For all the chat about recruitment data, we've only really got a few players with the potential to be an improvement to show for it. I think a lot is being glossed over because we've finally got the desired foreigners in, which for some reason seems to excite the fans more. Duk and Miovski have potential. That said, we should be looking for good first team players in the first instance, with the hope that one or two will go on to make us money. One or two windows isn't enough to judge though, and it's important that we feed the data back into the model so that we avoid Stewart and Morris type signings in future (Richardson I'm going to give a pass, because he has actual attributes that could be used if he didn't have the confidence of someone who's been locked in a cupboard). We've got enough players to work with for next season at least.

Goodwin's tenure. The positives:- We've had a few big wins at home (although many were against lower league opposition, against 10 men, or aided by penalties) Got us to Hampden (didn't meet one Premiership side on the way kind you - and we were taken to extra-time by Annan). Win over Hearts at home was pretty good. Decent performance at Hampden at the weekend. If you want scrape the barrel, then winning at Fir Park was alright. The negatives:- Were taken to extra-time by Annan Dismal away record Thumped at Ibrox Thumped at Tannadice Thumped at Tynecastle Many other poor performances. Hibs, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell - take your pick. The abomination of time wasting and playing for a draw at home to Celtic. Blowing a lead to Rangers in time added on and ending up with a defeat. The inability to engage his brain in interviews which has seen him publicly embarrass Considine, Bates and Ramirez, get himself banned for calling Porteous a cheat, and claim he couldn't care less what Dons supporters on the internet think about him. Told Scott Brown his services as a coach weren't needed. So far, we've yet to see much evidence Goodwin's coaching is up to par. Signed a League One defender that was new to Scottish football and made him captain. To think, a year ago we had Scott Brown as captain. Decided not to sign enough defenders meaning there is no competition for places and McCrorie is having to continue to fill in there. After nearly a year in the job and £1.5-2m spent, we're no better. There's probably others. At least Glass had a plan, but lacked the players to carry it out. Goodwin is just throwing money around but failing at pretty much everything.

Sorry Manc didn't see this when I started thread about Roos.

Hearts look like a team that work on their shape and movement going forward. We do not.

Great win for Andy today.

Reported on Radio Scotland that Roos is likely to be out for ten weeks. Torn thigh muscle. Ad if this evening wasn't shite enough already