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VAR goals that don't occur without VAR. That's a good way of putting it. Exactly correct. It'd be interesting to go back through VAR awards and classify then as VAR goals ("of VAR" or not "of VAR") and otherwise. Similarly with decisions against. The game was fine before it. What was needed was a complete change of attitude towards referees from the bottom up. I attended an under 15s game the other week and the ref was getting abuse from players, coaches and supporters. As always though, we don't deal with the underlying problem, we use "technology" to deal with the symptoms and then call it progress, accusing anyone who calls it out as anti progress, or a luddite. Then cajoling them by warnings of being "left behind" and other such bollocks which fail to examine which race we're being left behind in (a race off a cliff into a giant pile of elephant shite in this case). In this regard, football is just a mirror to the rest of our world, we must obey the overlord of progress (towards what, is never defined) and technology (and science). Watching the game yesterday showed how bad things have got and that they will only get worse. It's not just the VAR, it's the entire attention grabbing model that's pursued, so that you can't just enjoy the game. The English game is far worse of course, when everything is just 100mph, with uber-athletes. There wasn't an instant yesterday, watching it, when you were allowed to pause for thought. Every throw-in flashes towards the manager, a player's face, a replay, with no time to digest what you're seeing. They might as well have had strobe lighting, it's so full on. Designed to grab your attention and keep you locked in. No time to see what's happening, the essence entirely stripped out for television - it's no wonder that VAR made sense to those who are television people. It's become a spectacle. The controversy bigger than the game itself. I'd like to at least make it to thirty years of season tickets in a row before I give up though.

Think it was a toss up between this bloke and recalling Richardson, but richardson’s car broke down. Inspiring loanee!!

Are we sure it’s not kalvin phillips and this is an error on the medias part? He’d fit what we need.

We were linked with a move for him back in the summer window Rico. "Versatile" seems to mean attacking from what I have read so far.

I think we should go down the route of getting a proper manager like Hibs have done.

Everyone wanted to Robson to succeed but reality is it was always unlikely he would given turnover of players in the summer and number of games to negotiate. This season screamed out for an experienced manager to be brought in. That failures on the FMB. Robson however has not helped himself with his stubbornness over tactics and selection of players. We have been a brutal watch for most of the season which with the players we have should not be happening. We look a poorly coached team. To be on less points after 20 games than we were last season should be enough to see the FMB act but not convinced they will.

So how much does var cost clubs and the governing body? Radical thinking but what if we put that money into referee development and training instead? Are we able to cancel bar much like we added it during a season? var has created a different sport, this week alone without var we’d lose to st Johnstone and arguably we beat hearts today. The hearts fan noise on every play in our box immediately after var rules our goal out was obvious, trying to get var to play for them. Players hounding refs on calls to get var involved, that didn’t happen as much or in certain situations before var. the game delays don’t make the game better. Good goals are ruled out, and var creates goals that never should happen. Didn’t see the penalty today but sounds harsh on devlin, var has created var goals that don’t occur without var. it’s not good for the sport. poor calls were made by human error, in hindsight I can accept that I suppose. Var is are creating goals and changing games, and after every goal scored and conceded we stare at the ref and wonder/hope will var change things. It’s not good for the game.

Ha! The start of a conversation! So who would you suggest? We have to give life to this thread, I’d say Robson has us worse than Goodwin or glass.

Thick as shite bellend John Collins? Sacked from every job because the players disliked him because he was a total penis? Barely able to string a sentence together, atrocious pundit? Most irritating voice in the history of voices? That guy? I'd rather we offered Robson a 14 year deal.

I don’t see it that way. Go on a run like last year and fourth very realistic. Third is tough but you never know. Hearts have been shit of late, we should have taken them today, var fucked us. the sooner we punt Robson the better. Today we showed we’re capable, Robson gets in the way. Doing more harm than good based on what we’ve seen this year. We’re not the kind of club that we can allow a rookie manager to make so many mistakes to learn and grow. get two wide players in, Campbell or baccus, and give a new guy the chance to salvage a season. good cup run is also not unrealistic, rangers and Celtic aren’t world beaters this year. New guy, new energy, and salvage a season, much like last year.

Well beaten in the end. Couple of bollocks decisions, just like we got in our favour the other night. We've now been conditioned to believe that a player having a ball belted off his arm is a penalty, it's difficult to even have a conversation with anyone who agrees with that. It's like an entirely different value system. There is nothing sporting about their penalty, absolutely no merit in it, but everyone is now fully on board with that type of call. With VAR finding them everywhere, the game's fucked. After the pen, we really struggled. The changes failed miserably. The first was an obvious sub, bringing Duk on. However, he got five minutes to add something to the game, before the double sub destroyed any shape we had left. I guess that's the problem when you always make your subs so late. You condense the time available for further changes and so any impact the first subs have is nullified as they have to switch almost immediately. I understand that there is pressure to make changes, but spread them out and allow players to come into the game (or do the opposite and make a triple change). Fairly clueless tactical response to going behind, given we were the better team for a large part of that match.

Amazing finish from Miovski. Another nonsense VAR intervention. Contact fucking sport.