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You sack a manager when you lose all confidence they can ever turn it around. That's what did it for Goodwin and Robson. I don't believe Thelin has reached the stage of running out of ideas yet and I'm keen to see the next few months. Aye, the five wins in 31 is really poor. But forget last season. Different team now, and it took until transfer deadline day to add much needed quality. This season is a bigger judgement of him than last season. We have six players currently not fully match fit (Nisbet, Lazetic, Karlsson, Gyamfi, Armstrong, Bilalovic). We have Yengi, Milanovic, Aouchiche still settling in. Yengi in particular has had a lot of criticism, when in reality he's our third choice striker who was thrust in too early due to lack of bodies. Had all those players been here in July, had a full pre-season, and been available from day one of the season, then it's a different story. Obviously football isn't as neat and tidy as that. Earlier in this thread - I think before the cup final - I said it would be interesting to see who makes the most improvement this season out of Hibs, Dundee United and Aberdeen - the teams that finished above us, but still have the same managers. Hibs have had a few plaudits, but haven't won a home game this season (six games). Dundee United have also had a few plaudits, but they've only beat Strassen and Dundee this season. The top performing sides were the ones who had League Cup games to help build momentum - Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell. But it's fine margins with them too. Motherwell haven't actually won a league game yet, but people are raving about them. To answer your original question (I'll get there eventually), unless the season becomes a disaster and it appears obvious Thelin isn't up to it, then it becomes a conversation. But I'm confident that won't happen.

Funny as that would be, unfortunately I can see the obvious flaw in that plan

Appreciate the discussion and your take. You’ve scolded me before for using the term far right, I’m not looking to debate the definition of right wing now. More often than not you’ll now hear me saying right and left leaning. I appreciate your insights though and the friendly debate. you’ve clearly got a knowledge/experience in politics I dont have, and dont really want to have. I can only speak to my experience living here and the change I have witnessed. I also think living in LA then Florida I can provide decent insight from two politically differing environments. I certainly hope experiences over the last week will change things, and judging by the world wide response, what happens here is certainly far reaching. Like we all are though, I’m pessimistic. More chance of us beating Motherwell 6-0 this weekend perhaps.

Cannot comment on Saturday as wasn’t there but my general impression from other games is Shinnie and Nilsen slow the play down when together. When teams sit in against us we need to move the ball quickly to try a create space. Nilsen especially seems to slow the game down. I think one of them with Clarkson is probably way to go.

I don’t think he’s going anywhere, he’s been more than backed, and we’ve heard of the three year project. I also really like the improved game experience and fan support, we really have a good thing going. I just don’t want the increasing crowd displeasure to become a thing. A few wins are needed. As for your top six comment, I think expectations are way higher than that.