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Really fair assessment Al. For the last few seasons we have collapsed in the autumn and winter then changed our manager. Then we get all excited about the prospect of a new guy coming in and clearing out the players we don't like and who are pish. It was a never ending rollercoaster of emotion. So when Thelin csme along and everyone overwhelmingly thought he was a great appointment I genuinely did think we would get some stability. Absolutely gutted it is working out this way and also keep thinking please turn it around as I cannot stand us having another new face in February next year!! Hopefully 2 away league games will suit us better!!

Agreed, I don’t think he’s in danger. We pursued him for a couple of years, and we’ve gone all in on him. A three yr project was spoken about, and it’s been a total squad overhaul. We’ve allowed him to build his type of player and squad I believe, including signing ex players, you don’t then can the coach. To be honest, I’m sure his start last year was a surprise to jimmy and cormack, and a cup win was unexpected. It’s a three yr project minimum and we’re only starting year two. Add to the fact we’ve signed bilalovic kjarten and frame, all who I think are ones for the future, I think the club is all in on long term jimmy.

Defo stay. I don't actually think he's in any danger at the moment anyway as my feeling is Cormack is committed to the project. He will know this exact scenario happened at Elfsborg and have far better data on the full in's and outs of this period, indeed a sticky spell like this was probably expected from the off. All the chat from Sweden when we hired him was "you need to give this guy 2 years before you see what one of his teams is really all about" and, when you consider the investment we have made with him, I think it would be crazy not to see it out. FWIW I think we will come good under Thelin and I'm happy to give him the season. For me the team at the moment is like an engine running with little to no oil, particularly when we get to the final third. Confidence is clearly becoming an issue now as well to compound things but that would go away if we could just fucking start scoring.

Septic draw the weakest team in the semi-final of the LC - again.

I think we have quite ‘reasonable’ people here, most of us are willing to give jimmy time as we don’t want to sack a manager every season, plus a rebuild every season doesn’t make sense. Seems most of us are in agreement there. Plus I do think it’s fair to factor in a complete squad overhaul. You can’t throw 20 new players at a guy in 12 months and expect it to be smooth. Every window since jimmy came has been significant change. As I said recently, i think it’s fair that by Xmas we should have an idea of what we are and what jimmy can do. means little but we’ve been unlucky. Two debatable red cards affected games, prior to the devlin red I felt it was just a matter of time before we scored against falkirk. Against livi we missed a handful of chances, yesterday it was easier for kneuster to score than miss, a devlin header that could easily have gone in or bounced out for a tap in. While we didnt create a lot yesterday, we were unlucky with those two and on another day we’d score 2-3 against livi. We won those games last autumn. we’re also not conceding a shit ton of goals or seeing opponents miss a ton of chances. At the same time though, I thought we saw a little bit of fear and nervousness at the back yesterday and if this form continues that will get worse. whats concerning and needs improved asap is our style of play. I see highlights of other teams at the moment and wish we played like that. Even the way motherwell played yesterday, building out the back they were quite tidy, plus their speed of attack, had me wishing we played like that. Hibs play some nice football, hearts too. St mirren. Even falkirk looked decent. we have to create width, we have to involve our 9, and we have to attack at speed. It’s been far too much sideways and backwards between defenders and midfielders that we are slow and we allow teams to get back and get set. At present we are easy to defend against. So far there’s also little difference between yengi nisbet or lazetic, they have all touched the ball so little, they are rarely involved in our play. There’s many reasons our 9 has to touch the ball and be involved in the play. where have our attacking fullbacks gone? Devlin and Mackenzie were our best players early last season. Even Jensen was more attack minded last season. That style or tactic has vanished. We’re starting to see glimpses from gyamfi. im not seeing enough from topi to merit a weekly start. Why are we continuing with polvara as a winger. We’ve spent a fair amount of money, those two decisions don’t sit well with me at present. I def think milanovic and karlsson merit a regular start, maybe milanovic picked up a knock with the aussies? Polvara doesn’t provide pace or width. I’d like to see Belalovic, gyamfi, or frame given a run at left mid before polvara. said it yesterday, wonder if two away games help us where the home team should be more attack minded and give us some more space to attack into, or give us more counter attacking opportunities which gave us some success last season.

Not sure how much its I cant be arsed with another new manager,or the fact he appears to be an intelligent man,and you'd hope he's going to eventually work out what he needs to change, .....is why I'd persist til Xmas and review. The glimmer of hope is that the Elfsborg fans were questioning him into season 2,before he got them going,..and bearing in mind its only a game or 2 that some of the players have been getting used to each other.

I don't like blaming any individual, but things have gone to shit ever since you unpinned the cup final thread. You took away the feel good factor and now we look devoid of confidence.

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Hard to really differentiate my opinion from others as I think I’m generally on the same page, though I’ve probably not been as invested this season as I would have due to life being a bit bonkers with deadlines. Much like the team, I didn’t feel ready for the season. I think the thing that annoys me about Thelin is, is that it appears that he’s not learning the Scottish game. we’re making the same errors week in week out, almost hoping it changes, maybe the opposition will eventually drop the ball and think we can’t continue like this, I only know he’s clearly an intelligent man and I like him and want him to be a success with us, but he needs to make concessions “to the system”. Can’t remember if it was here or elsewhere, but I think the Amorim comparison is a good one. Steadfast despite everything showing the counter. Orlando. Think you hit it on the head, it’s the style of play that really needs to change, we appear to be turgid and have absolutely no identity. Try play wingers on their correct side, swap by all means to keep the full backs on their toes, then it’s almost a plan b. All the positivity and paper covering is being squandered. Sort it out, Jimmy.

Motherwell didn't seem to have any trouble beating the first man with their numerous corners which caused us a few problems so I guess their takers are better than the 2 laddies you mentioned.. On a more serious note why do we persist in having all our players in the penalty box when defending corners? Leaving 1 player on the half-way line (as they did yesterday) means at least 2 of their players staying back.

I am in the same place as I have been the past few weekends. Absolutely raging about the shite on view on a Saturday and angry immediately after the game. By the time I have slept on matters and am calmed down a bit, I start to think that maybe, just maybe he can turn it around. Can't really quantify how I can justify feeling that way and maybe it is just because I really hope he can but in my heart of hearts I am far from convinced he can. There is an international break coming up in October and we have three league games and our first European game prior to that. If there is no real signs of improvement and points on the board by then, then I rather feel it is time for change. Is there anyone in Scotland that I would consider as a replacement, well not really apart from Robinson, who seems to able to polish a turd and get results but the product on offer wouldn't be attractive. Out with Scotland I haven't got a clue, but then as fans that's not our responsibility.

Thelin - I think you can strongly criticise him and also be strongly against sacking him. I really can't be arsed with another manager change. We've heavily invested in this one. We're not going to be relegated in October. Let's give this manager backing for once. But by fuck do we need to hit some good form, preferably before the year is out.

I’ve said it before Clarkson has to start. He’s the best passer in the team. It’s Clarkson + 1 other in midfield depending on the opposition.

Sokler and Nisbet should have been an option for us this season. Ambrose and Yengi shouldn't be.

If you're surrounded by mediocrity it is very easy to be dragged down to that level.

I said after last weekend that the credit was running really low, but actually thought we might get a reaction today from them. Frankly there is literally nothing shown during the 94 minutes today to suggest that we are learning from these shocking displays and seem hell bent on just repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again in the hope that we will miraculously achieve a different outcome. Let's not forget, this is the most expensive squad this club has ever had.