SC Round 4: Elgin vs Dons

[Elgindon]

What about this angle?

[Elgindon]

 

[Jute]

36 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

What about this angle?

Even that angle it’s hard to tell if the whole of  ball is completely over the line. It’s one of the rare occasions where I sympathise with the ref. Would not have been that upset if it hadn’t been awarded. 

[RicoS321]

49 minutes ago, Jute said:

Even that angle it’s hard to tell if the whole of  ball is completely over the line. It’s one of the rare occasions where I sympathise with the ref. Would not have been that upset if it hadn’t been awarded. 

I'd say that angle actually shows it wasn't in at that point. There's no way that whole ball is over the line. That angle biases the attacking team, if you were to imagine the image rotated around the axis of the line where it meets the ball, you'd most likely see that a good portion of the ball is covering the line (even though there is a sliver of green between line and ball in the image). That said, that particular still frame could be the one taken after the keeper has pushed it back the way a little bit, we don't know. 

What's funny is that the guys on Red TV were sure it was in because they take the reaction of the players into account. Because Nisbet was strongly claiming immediately suggested that it was a goal. On sportscene, later, the pundits were sure it wasn't a goal because they take the reaction of the players into account. Because the fullback was strongly claiming, it suggested that it wasn't in. Neither weighed up the reaction of the player who didn't agree with their opinion. 

As you say, sympathise with the officials here. Luckily those types of call are rare. I think I'd probably have sided with Elgin in this case, but the linesman has to go with the view he has got. If VAR had been in play, we'd have been waiting 8 minutes, and they'd have just guessed in the end. 

[STFU_Donny]

4 hours ago, Elgindon said:

What about this angle?

Doesn’t look like the whole ball is over the line to me. 

[BigAl]

6 hours ago, STFU_Donny said:

Doesn’t look like the whole ball is over the line to me. 

The crux of the matter for me is at what exact point is that still taken.

Is it as soon as he gathers the ball or a second after by which point he has pulled the ball back onto the line.

Not sure anyone really has the definitive answer on this occasion.

Some you win, some you lose 

Potentially harsh on Elgin, but we haven't exactly been getting those breaks over the past couple of months.

[dons8321]

9 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

 

What's funny is that the guys on Red TV were sure it was in because they take the reaction of the players into account. Because Nisbet was strongly claiming immediately suggested that it was a goal. 

Which is the argument that that goal in '66 was over the line, with Hunt immediately acclaiming the "goal".  If the linesman (I know) yesterday gave the goal then he was presumably looking along the bye-line and taking into account that the post would have been in his eyeline, saw the whole of the ball  which would indicate that ball was over the line.

[RicoS321]

28 minutes ago, dons8321 said:

Which is the argument that that goal in '66 was over the line, with Hunt immediately acclaiming the "goal".  If the linesman (I know) yesterday gave the goal then he was presumably looking along the bye-line and taking into account that the post would have been in his eyeline, saw the whole of the ball  which would indicate that ball was over the line.

Think he was in line with the last defender, so maybe five yards out, but could be wrong. 

[dons8321]

14 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Think he was in line with the last defender, so maybe five yards out, but could be wrong. 

There was a defender on the post so the lino shouldn't have moved.  But he just guessed and fortunately for us, he gave the goal.  As a former ref. - amatuer level, with no lino and sometime no lines - we were always told that if you weren't sure then you can't give it and he shouldn't have given it.

[RicoS321]

22 minutes ago, dons8321 said:

There was a defender on the post so the lino shouldn't have moved.  But he just guessed and fortunately for us, he gave the goal.  As a former ref. - amatuer level, with no lino and sometime no lines - we were always told that if you weren't sure then you can't give it and he shouldn't have given it.

Aye, you're right, I forgot about the lad on the line. Agreed, he likely shouldn't have given it.

[DantheDon]

At home to Dunfermline. Not a bad draw. 

[tlg1903]

Dunfermline at home in the next round.  Very fitting given the news about JC 

[Jute]

Have to be happy with home draw against lower league opposition. 

[Elgindon]

Yip,can't complain,timely tribute for JC at the game too

Shame legendary Dons/City fan Jimmy,the bus,MacLean(died recently ) couldn't have been at the game on Saturday 

Edited January 21, 2025 by Elgindon